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Fantasy Football League Discussion

Postby Darkfoxx » Tue Dec 23, 2014 11:07 am

If you haven't heard, I'll be taking over league duties from Sean next year.

First and foremost, I want to thank him for running the league as well as he's done for the past 6 years or so that I've been in his league and even before that. Easily the best-managed league I've been in. :thumbsup: Bravo sir.

The biggest issue we have right now is active people who give a shit. There will be some people not re-invited next year. These aren't just one-off occurrences, but a history of neglect every season. From now until the start of the season next year, I want each of you to be on the lookout for friends or family who want to join the best fantasy league on the Internets.

How do we encourage activity? Well, here's what I propose: I would like to implement a buy-in for our league. I want to keep this fair for all (financially speaking), yet sizable enough to really whet your appetite to be on top of your shit. An acceptable range in my opinion is anywhere from $10 to $50, with a good middle ground being around $20 per, which equates to a $200 pot. We can divide this up based on 1st, 2nd, and 3rd...or 1st place takes it all.

I'd like to get your opinion on this. First, state the buy-in amount that you think is acceptable. It can be a hard number or a range if you're undecided. Secondly, let's talk about prize distribution.

There are other minor details to work out, but we'll get to that shortly.
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Re: Fantasy Football League Discussion

Postby Sonic » Tue Dec 23, 2014 2:59 pm

<$50, I'd prefer $20

(10 person league = $200)

1st $120
2nd $60
3rd place gets their money back $20

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Re: Fantasy Football League Discussion

Postby Fist of the eskimo » Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:29 pm

Nothing more than $30 I'd say.

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Re: Fantasy Football League Discussion

Postby Bacon » Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:48 pm

i'd be interested in joining. idk about a money league but i can promise participation. do you guys use yahoo or espn or what?

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Re: Fantasy Football League Discussion

Postby Darkfoxx » Tue Dec 23, 2014 10:44 pm

Bacon wrote:i'd be interested in joining. idk about a money league but i can promise participation. do you guys use yahoo or espn or what?

Yahoo. I think you played one year?

There's definitely going to be a buy-in, so hopefully we can work out a happy medium for everyone.
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Re: Fantasy Football League Discussion

Postby Bacon » Wed Dec 24, 2014 8:27 am

yeah i think so a while ago. i'd prefer $20 or less.

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Re: Fantasy Football League Discussion

Postby Harness » Wed Dec 24, 2014 10:34 am

20 dollar buy in MAX!

Bacon, I don't think you ever joined this league. The only other person from SEYE to join was Not Owning.
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Re: Fantasy Football League Discussion

Postby Darkfoxx » Wed Dec 24, 2014 1:21 pm

Harness wrote:Bacon, I don't think you ever joined this league. The only other person from SEYE to join was Not Owning.

He totally played one year, I remember. In 2009 as "The Pyros".

http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com ... #lhststand
Player page: http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com ... 9/158876/4

Scott won that year, lol :lol:

So far $20 seems to be the best option.
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Re: Fantasy Football League Discussion

Postby Harness » Thu Dec 25, 2014 9:53 am





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Re: Fantasy Football League Discussion

Postby Jif » Wed Dec 31, 2014 8:08 pm

Harness wrote:20 dollar buy in MAX!


seriously?

$100

$100 is easy to come by if you budget properly and it would add even more excitement to every week. We play 15 weeks, plus the draft. that's almost 4 months of entertainment and a massive payout for the winner. 20 bux couldn't buy u a handjob from a coked-up prostitute.

If $100 is a lot of money for you, start saving now! Don't eat out 3 or 4 times over the next 9 months. Bring lunch for 3 weeks. COME ON! You got 9 months to save that shit! Money is tight but if you make monthly budgets and stick to them it is doable for everyone that gets paid for working any number of hours. (and if you need help budgeting, You Need a Budget is on sale for $15 on steam right now: http://store.steampowered.com/app/227320/ )

Pot distribution... 3rd place gets money back, 2nd gets 2x buy-in, and 1st get's the rest. That equates to winner taking home 70% of the pot but still gives incentives for placing.

Also, if you do go money buy-in we should probably change the keeper system a bit. There are a few changes i would support, but the biggest and most glaring problem I see is there being no trade-off to keeping someone.

I recommend 3 changes to keepers that are all intertwined:
1- keeper eligibility. Drafted in round X or later (i recommend round 3 or 4 to be meaningful) OR undrafted OR picked up off waivers (regardless of initial draft round)
2- keepers count as your X round pick. X is the first draft round that a player is keepable, per #1.
3- keeper is not mandatory.

Combined these changes mean you aren't automatically going to keep your best eligible player. You have to weigh the cost of keeping him versus drafting a player in that position. IE, they'd have to be better than an x round draft pick to theoretically be worth it. Some will have no-brainer keepers at round 3 or 4 while others will opt for the draft pick instead. Yahoo entirely supports this system, including the drafting when keepers are chosen or not per manager. The only thing Justin would have to do is double-check keeper eligibility and manually add that player as a keeper to each team, the same way Sean already did.

I absolutely love this league's points rules, but the keeper setup needs to change to make it important/require thought. No more picking the best eligible player with no consequence.

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Re: Fantasy Football League Discussion

Postby Bacon » Thu Jan 01, 2015 2:08 am

it's not that $100 is a lot of money, it's that for me it's not worth it. I would rather eat out those times than spend the money on fantasy. but that's just me.

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Re: Fantasy Football League Discussion

Postby Darkfoxx » Thu Jan 01, 2015 6:10 pm

Bacon wrote:it's not that $100 is a lot of money, it's that for me it's not worth it. I would rather eat out those times than spend the money on fantasy. but that's just me.

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Re: Fantasy Football League Discussion

Postby Harness » Fri Jan 02, 2015 12:41 pm

Darkfoxx wrote:
Bacon wrote:it's not that $100 is a lot of money, it's that for me it's not worth it. I would rather eat out those times than spend the money on fantasy. but that's just me.

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Re: Fantasy Football League Discussion

Postby Darkfoxx » Mon Jan 05, 2015 9:25 am

Jif wrote:Also, if you do go money buy-in we should probably change the keeper system a bit. There are a few changes i would support, but the biggest and most glaring problem I see is there being no trade-off to keeping someone.

I recommend 3 changes to keepers that are all intertwined:
1- keeper eligibility. Drafted in round X or later (i recommend round 3 or 4 to be meaningful) OR undrafted OR picked up off waivers (regardless of initial draft round)
2- keepers count as your X round pick. X is the first draft round that a player is keepable, per #1.
3- keeper is not mandatory.

Combined these changes mean you aren't automatically going to keep your best eligible player. You have to weigh the cost of keeping him versus drafting a player in that position. IE, they'd have to be better than an x round draft pick to theoretically be worth it. Some will have no-brainer keepers at round 3 or 4 while others will opt for the draft pick instead. Yahoo entirely supports this system, including the drafting when keepers are chosen or not per manager. The only thing Justin would have to do is double-check keeper eligibility and manually add that player as a keeper to each team, the same way Sean already did.

I absolutely love this league's points rules, but the keeper setup needs to change to make it important/require thought. No more picking the best eligible player with no consequence.

I'd like to hear others thoughts on this. I personally don't see the need to change anything, but I'm curious to see what you guys think.
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Re: Fantasy Football League Discussion

Postby Harness » Mon Jan 05, 2015 1:17 pm

Darkfoxx wrote:
Jif wrote:Also, if you do go money buy-in we should probably change the keeper system a bit. There are a few changes i would support, but the biggest and most glaring problem I see is there being no trade-off to keeping someone.

I recommend 3 changes to keepers that are all intertwined:
1- keeper eligibility. Drafted in round X or later (i recommend round 3 or 4 to be meaningful) OR undrafted OR picked up off waivers (regardless of initial draft round)
2- keepers count as your X round pick. X is the first draft round that a player is keepable, per #1.
3- keeper is not mandatory.

Combined these changes mean you aren't automatically going to keep your best eligible player. You have to weigh the cost of keeping him versus drafting a player in that position. IE, they'd have to be better than an x round draft pick to theoretically be worth it. Some will have no-brainer keepers at round 3 or 4 while others will opt for the draft pick instead. Yahoo entirely supports this system, including the drafting when keepers are chosen or not per manager. The only thing Justin would have to do is double-check keeper eligibility and manually add that player as a keeper to each team, the same way Sean already did.

I absolutely love this league's points rules, but the keeper setup needs to change to make it important/require thought. No more picking the best eligible player with no consequence.

I'd like to hear others thoughts on this. I personally don't see the need to change anything, but I'm curious to see what you guys think.


Keeper player rules should remain as is:
1- keeper eligibility. Drafted in round X or later (i recommend round 3 or 4 to be meaningful) OR undrafted OR picked up off waivers (regardless of initial draft round)There needs to be a simple structure that everyone can observe. A player can easily go back to last years draft results and check if anyone's player is eligible as a keeper. If you make it so you have to view the draft and an entire years worth of player transitions, you are making it too difficult.

2- keepers count as your X round pick. X is the first draft round that a player is keepable, per #1. What?

3- keeper is not mandatory. Would remove a degree of difficulty that I can't agree with.
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