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Torque Android App

Postby Jif » Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:39 pm

FUCK i had a massive post i typed up on and off over the course of about 2 hours and somehow Chrome logged me out. Chrome here (work) behaves differently than anywhere else ive ever used it. Dunno if it's a setting i have off or what, but it doesnt keep me logged into sites very long and isnt remembering passwords.

Anyway ill do a quickie version-

Torque App (Android) + Bluetooth OBD II reader = real time telemetry and engine code readings on android phone.
Torque - https://play.google.com/store/apps/deta ... rque&hl=en
OBD II BT reader - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009F4 ... UTF8&psc=1 ***** see notes below


Torque:
See what your car is doing in realtime, get OBD fault codes, car performance, sensor data and more!
Torque is a vehicle / car performance / diagnostics tool and scanner that uses an OBD II Bluetooth adapter to connect to your OBD2 engine management / ECU
Layout your own dashboard with the widgets / gauges you want!
It can use the GPS to provide tracker logs with OBD engine logging so you can see what you were doing at any point in time
It can also show and reset a DTC / CEL / fault code like a scantool. Helps you fix your car and helps keep repair costs down!
Torque also features:
* Dyno / Dynomometer and Horsepower/HP & Torque
* Can read Transmission Temperatures (vehicle dependant)
* 0-60 speed timings - more accurate than just using plain old GPS - see how fast your car is (or truck )
* CO2 emissions readout
* Customisable dashboard & profiles
* Video your journey using the Track Recorder plugin with onscreen OBDII data overlay - a black box for your car/truck!
* Automatically send GPS tagged tweets directly to twitter (for example if you are going on a road trip)
* Massive fault code database for lookup of fault codes from different manufacturers
* Theme support (choose from different themes to change the look of your dashboard)
* Send logging information to web or email CSV/KML for analysis via excel / openoffice reader
* Heads up display / HUD mode for night time driving
* Compass (GPS Based) that won't suffer magnetic interference
* GPS Speedometer/Tracking and realtime web upload capability - see what you were doing and your engine, at a point in time
* Turbo boost feature for vehicles that support MAP and MAF sensors (VW & Golf / Audi / Seat etc supported)
* Alarms and warnings (for example if your coolant temperature goes over 120C whilst driving) with voice/speech overlay
* Car dock support
* Graph data
* MPG
* Able to share screenshots to Facebook, Twitter, Google+, Email, etc
* AIDL API for third party apps, A simple Telnet interface for developers to talk to the adapter, and an OBD scanner.
* Works on tablet devices like the Motorola Xoom, Dell Streak, Samsung Galaxy Tab and Nook
Works on any vehicle that uses the OBD 2 standard (most vehicles built after 2000, but can work for vehicles as far back as 1996) if in doubt check with your manufacturer first or look for 'OBD2' on written on a big white label in your engine bay
Works on vehicles made by Ford, VW, GM/Vauxhall/Opel, Chrysler, Mercedes, Volkswagen, Audi, Jaguar, Citroen, Peugoet, Skoda, Kia, Mazda, Lexus, Subaru, Renault, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Honda, Hyundai, BMW, Toyota, Seat, Dodge, Jeep, Pontiac and many more vehicle makes, European, US, Far East, etc. Some vehicle ECUs may support more/less features than others
The app needs a Bluetooth OBD2 adapter to work. The adapter is small and plugs into the diagnostics socket on the car which gives your phone access. You can find a list of adapters on: http://torque-bhp.com/wiki/Bluetooth_Adapters (Garmin EcoRoute HD adapters not supported)
If you buy one of the cheap china OBD2 ELM327 bluetooth adapters from ebay / amazon, then make sure you have a good returns policy with the seller
Some of the best reliable OBD2 / OBD adapters are the Scantool.net adapter, the OBDKey, and PLX Devices, OBDLink, Bluetooth, ELM327 and other adapters are supported - search on google for them
More features added every release - there are forums at http://torque-bhp.com/forums/ - if you want something added then let me know and I'll try to add it if it is possible! Vehicle ECUs vary in the amount of sensors supported
*PLEASE NOTE* Any reports of hanging or reboots after quitting the app is due to a bug in HTC devices and Galaxy Tab,this can be triggered by using the Pandora/Vlingo/Other BT apps. Disabling Pandoras new bluetooth settings fixes the problem, but HTC/Samsung need to release a fix.Please contact their support and request a fix,Thanks!
Changelog:
http://torque-bhp.com/forums/?wpforumac ... opic&t=3.0


for $25-30 you can have a wireless connection to your ECM and the pro version of the best app that can handle the data. Torque is simply awesome. It's very customizable and allows you to view real-time or logged data from your ECM. It combines this data with new data the phone can display/handle, like GPS, gyroscope, and timers to let you record 0-60 times, view visual graphs of acceleration, throttle, fuel systems, view GPS-calculated speed, and so much more. I can see Turbo PSI stats, check and reset engine codes, view a map of my travels, engine/coolant temps...almost anything the ECM reports this app can pull out. Combined with the phone's sensors, you can see pitch and roll, but the best part is the 0-xxmph and distance timers. since it knows your speed (via GPS, which is actually more accurate than the speedometer, supposedly) i believe it starts when you start moving and stops at the MPH/distance, giving you results that are human-proof (i could be wrong on this tho, havent tried it myself)


More info re: the readers -- ELM327

I wanted a super low profile reader so i could keep it plugged in and not worry about kicking it. There's only one OBDII reader on the market sold in this configuration, the ELM327, and im pretty sure all of them are counterfeits. I do not believe there are any authentic ELM327-based readers in such a low profile chassis, but Chinese companies have filled in the gap: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELM327#Pirate_clones
So basically the only way for me to get the exact product i want is by screwing over a legit company. doesnt make me feel good, but the alternative full-sized readers are not an option.

Theres a lot of shady shit going on with the BT ELM327 readers. Tons of low quality fakes being sold. There are, however, some high quality Chinese ones. However you can't really know what youre getting until you open the package. If there was a more expensive "official"/authentic low profile elm327 i would have gotten it. However, as i just said, im pretty sure there's no such.

Because of this I bought 2 from amazon last week - the one i linked above came in a retail box and is going to my father for his birthday. The other came in an atni-static bag with a printer sticker on it with the bluetooth pairing PIN and a shortened URL of a site to supposedly download the Windows software. Since im not using this with a computer i havent tried the software. It's this one that i hooked up this afternoon and got working with my phone and car. There have been a lot of problems with these Low profile ELM327's, mainly stemming from an abundance of super-cheap, illegal Chinese counterfeits that use low quality parts. Sometimes they work great and last a while, others die after a few months, and some arrive DOA or never pair with the phone. My point, simply, is buyer beware. there are a lot of 5* reviews and a lot of 1* reviews of the same product. Since all Marketplace sellers get lumped in together, it's almost impossible to know which sellers are shipping high quality readers and which aren't. Thats why i bought 2 of them. The product descriptions are different and theyre from different sellers...trying to hedge my bet a little. I'll know more about the retail-packaged one later this week or next when i give it to my dad.

Here's the one im using...http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009NP ... UTF8&psc=1
Had some trouble getting it paired top my phone, but it eventually did and is now working. So far so good...

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Re: Torque Android App

Postby Harness » Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:03 pm

Let me know how it is. I'm most curious about how fast and accurate your datastream would post. Basically, time taken to display information as it happens and how often it refreshes.

Maybe some screen shots of your datastream. I would like to know how many pids can be displayed and which ones on your car. In short, a pid would be any single piece of data displayed, weather it's your o2 sensor voltage or your cooling fan motor status or any other piece of data.
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Re: Torque Android App

Postby Darkfoxx » Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:36 pm

BTW, I still need to post about my usb BMW obd interface thing that only cost $30.
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Re: Torque Android App

Postby Jif » Mon Jun 03, 2013 10:33 pm

Harness wrote:Let me know how it is. I'm most curious about how fast and accurate your datastream would post. Basically, time taken to display information as it happens and how often it refreshes.

Maybe some screen shots of your datastream. I would like to know how many pids can be displayed and which ones on your car. In short, a pid would be any single piece of data displayed, weather it's your o2 sensor voltage or your cooling fan motor status or any other piece of data.

It can pull a lot of data at one time. I had 6 widgets showing on the screen (max) and all were updating in real time. It can log everything at once but they recommend turning off MPG calculations if not needed as that seems to be one of the bigger drags. If i remember tomorrow i can turn on logging before driving to work and post the results.

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Re: Torque Android App

Postby Jif » Mon Jun 03, 2013 11:00 pm

Some videos of torque in action. The videos with HUD gauges is a mod for torque. It places the torque data gauges over the phone's rear-facing video so you can record yourself driving while showing the car's telemetry.



this dude put a tablet with torque in his car to basically replace his stereo. Skip to around 8:00 or 8:30 where he starts talking about torque. Its a good, brief demonstration of what can be done


This guy used it to diagnose a problem on a car by using the built in Test and Graphing features


here's a guy driving around for a while

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Re: Torque Android App

Postby Jif » Mon Jun 03, 2013 11:13 pm

And one more of a C63 getting some track time in:

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Re: Torque Android App

Postby Jif » Tue Jun 04, 2013 10:46 pm

Bums: here's the log file i recorded driving home. It reads data from the PIDs "as available" and i have the logger set to record every .1 seconds. It's a .csv file, which can be opened in Excel (Calc in OpenOffice). It only logs the sensors you set to log, and i didnt enable even 1/10 of them
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByUXICM ... sp=sharing

here are most of the sensors my OBD adapter can read. theres probably 8-12 more that didnt capture in the pic:
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Torque sensors
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going back to the log file...it looks like the OBD sensors only update once a second. The sensors that updated in realtime with the .1 second log interval are all phone sensors (like GPS). there are so many sensors i dont even know what to do with them all.

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Re: Torque Android App

Postby Darkfoxx » Wed Jun 05, 2013 11:27 am

That's a metric fuckton of raw data. What does it actually represent?
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Re: Torque Android App

Postby Harness » Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:54 pm

Darkfoxx wrote:That's a metric fuckton of raw data. What does it actually represent?



It's actually a basic datastream. Some things like accelerator pedal position and evap vapor pressure are not common in generic scan tools. If it actually can update in real time, it's more then worth the money. I just may look into buying this. If nothing else, at least I can get an idea of what Jimmy BooBoo is doing in his back yard.
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Re: Torque Android App

Postby Jif » Thu Jun 06, 2013 12:27 am

Darkfoxx wrote:That's a metric fuckton of raw data. What does it actually represent?

With that log i realized that updating 10 times/sec wasnt very useful so i set it back to the default of 1/sec. that log was about 22 minutes elapsed time- my commute home.

i gave the adapter to and purchased the app for my dad this evening. It's a pretty complicated app (outside of the requisite mechanical knowledge) but he seemed to pick it up pretty quick. I configured it before letting him use it, though. By default it uses mostly metric units and keeps itself in memory 24/7 (notification icon) so i fixed all that. I didnt have a lot of time so he said my mom's suburban's check engine light was on and he wanted to check it out.

he popped the adapter in, i turned the car on, paired it to his new Samsung Galaxy SIII, and i created a profile for the vehicle. a minute later we had the fault code and he knew where to start looking (something about evap solenoid being on for 5 seconds and some test failing) to fix it. He's extremely mechanically proficient (he's a Crusader dealer/warranty service, which are big block GM engines repackaged for marine use) and has some very expensive computer-based diagnostics software for marine engines but doesnt have a basic scan tool. He seemed really impressed with the setup, especially for the <$30 price. he loved that he could literally plug it into any OBDII car and get read-outs almost instantly. I told him to create a profile for his van just to differentiate the data in case he ever wants to log something or decides to use the cost/mile or the other fuel and cost analyses.


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